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Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

Типография — Sun, 11 Apr 2010 04:15:19 -0000

Nailed it. If the NYT and its siblings want to retain any semblance of a business they need to embrace new means of reporting, not simply repurpose the same old, same old.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

Free Games — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:23:46 -0000

"which makes online games, like FarmVille, that have become incredibly popular on Facebook among people who are missing parts of their brains." - This is just so awesomely funny xD

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

advocatus diaboli — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:56:04 -0000

The NYT drank GW Bush and Cheney Kool Aid through out the buildup to the Iraq War we are now in. They did no investigation of the veracity fo the WMD sotries but embraced them gleefully. If that is a flaming liberal newspaper, then Fox News is MTV.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

advocatus diaboli — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:52:42 -0000

I would like to think that those wars (which the NYT voiced significant support for BTW) and the economic situation don't require a news blackout of other stories or this democracy is in deep trouble. Besides you point is pointless: the NYT _did_ cover the story--just poorly as water-carrying corporate shills instead of journalists. that said, bloggers are unlikely to ever replace the resources of professional news organizations but then again the cost of running those large organizations makes them beholden to their corporate sponsors and thus taints their output. Damned if they do and damned if they don't--so they might as well go the Hell right now and cut out the middleman.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

Valan — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:00:05 -0000

Alot of crap and mis-information also comes from independent bloggers. But it's true that mainstream media is a slave to the legal system, which means they'll get sued (pushed around) if any influential (rich) entity doesn't like what they are saying. Knee-jerk reaction from influential frigtard's is "call our lawyers to find out if there's anything we can do to stop them". This isn't a media issue, this is a USA culture issue. Bloggers open up chaos and confusion, and I love it, let people exercise their common-sense. (Speaking of which, the above article also has it's share of BS, decide for yourself what's right and what's scammy).

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

jerva — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:04:26 -0000

good idea

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

FoolishOwl — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:02:36 -0000

"Weapons of Mass Destruction."

That's the reason not to trust newspapers and conventional media. Their much-vaunted professionalism amounts to their efforts to make sure they're all telling the same story, the same way, at the same time. They rely on official sources, and rarely question them.

With the democratization of journalism, lots of poorly researched, biased crap gets published. That's an improvement, however, over just a little poorly researched, biased crap getting published, because the odds of finding the truth in all the muck have improved.

The world has changed. No, most blogs can't afford to open bureaus in different countries. But, do they need to? Why should we rely on the New York Times having reporters in Iran, when there are Iranians there who can, and do, write and publish on the Web? For that matter, most of us live in cities in which many of our fellow students and co-workers have direct ties to people in other countries. With a little asking around, most of us can get more accurate accounts from the ground than the mainstream media seems to be capable of.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

Stephen — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:03:57 -0000

Caroline, explain to me then about Fox News? Did they not just go to court to ensure their right to lie outright on the air? What about CNN, who uses fear to drive revenues, and just spent a whole week talking about a boy in a balloon WHO WAS NEVER IN THE BALLOON! Traditional news services have become, by and large, propoganda services for interest groups. There may be a few really good news services out there, but the overwhelming majority are not doing much more than report AP wire stories that someone else has read, in addition to local interest stories. I've been reading both blogs and trad news side by side for the past 5 years, and I have to say, blogs cover more of what I want to know. And by reading several blogs w/ different viewpoints, I am able to look around most of the biases and see a more balanced view. Traditional news must die, but as it's cutting it's own throat right now (Hear me, Murdock?), I'm not too concerned.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

replica rolex — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:05:39 -0000

But in this case there’s a complicating factor, which is this: They won’t tell me which three posts they’re talking about. I’ve asked. They say they’re not ready to disclose that and that in fact there may be more than three, but the three they’ve mentioned are just the first ones they’ve spotted in a cursory search. My sense is they’re not really upset about any particular posts,

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

Damian Saunders — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:21:54 -0000

Probably somewhat correct but it's not myopic to see that more and more superblogs are providing the avenue for these journalists to operate in an environment where their skills are not compromised by their corporate masters agenda.
Perhaps if the mainstream media was doing their job we wouldn't have two wars to report about?
Whether you like it or not the future is online, mainstream media will move online, there will be a shifting of the balance when paid subscriptions are introduced, and superblogs that offer the journalistic credibility that comes from being independent of large corporations, will be significant competitors in that space.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

Anon — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:22:58 -0000

"What really cracks me up is how often I still hear people say that bloggers are mere “aggregators” and the “real journalism” gets done at places like the Times."

And yet, the last two of your blog posts have been annoying aggregations of "interesting links" (that aren't fucking why I come to this blog, BTW)

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

gabbyhayes — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:06:31 -0000

I heard of the iphone. I even saw one once. How could you do business with AT&T, dude? They sold out every customer in their network for thirty pieces of silver to a snake named Karl Rove.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

The Ghost of Warren Zevon — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:22:39 -0000

If it's true that "when these papers are dead, they will not be missed," then surely you're not including The St. Petersburg Times, the paper with the true guts, risking lawsuit and never ending harassment from the church of $c~i-ento~logy for Thomas C. Tobin and Joe Childs' brilliant piece, "The Truth Rundown."

If you haven't read it, please do.

http://www.tampabay.com/spe...

Remember, this is the "religion" that managed to beat the IRS into submission. God only knows what they have planned for the St. Pete Times.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

Ernst-Jan Pfauth — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:35:48 -0000

You're only discussing an example from the tech blogosphere. Would love to hear more examples of blogs that beat newspapers. I think this article just shows how newspapers are - still - trying to understand new media.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

Fred — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:18:00 -0000

The 4 most important (and ironic) words of your comment are "beautifully orchestrated media blackout." Those words would make a nice new title for the newspaper (NYT).

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

Kwame Kilpatrick — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:02 -0000

Have you actually read the NYT over the last few years? If you aren't a flaming liberal it is unreadable. Please, MaggieL had it correct. Don't be afraid of a moderate opposing opinion.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

Magne Røyset — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:55:30 -0000

You are misquoting def456 here - the quote is "There is nothing a well established Blogger cannot do that a Times journalist can""
To correctly translate the quote to cover the Watergate example, the quote would perhaps be "There is nothing a well established collaborative blog cannot do that a Times news team can"

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

Dave — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:05:49 -0000

Wow this is ridiculous -- the NY Times constantly breaks huge stories with powerful, analytical writing, and you focus on some small Silicon Valley story that most people don't care about and then say newspapers are dying? Terrible logic.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

Martin — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:21:51 -0000

I'm of the opinion that forum discussions are even better than blogs and the mainstream ... I have high hopes for such start-ups as Tweble.com as they are trying to bring the spotlight back on the forums... Should be fun to watch.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

abc123 — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:55:59 -0000

"Why you need to attack the US, blogs or anything else is beyond me."

I am aware that 'real democracy' might be a bit aggressive, it just surprises me every time I find out another civil right you're lacking in US law. You may or may not be one of the overwealmingly many people shouting "the land of the free" all day long, but that ticks many of - especially those who live in a real free country where you actually can say and do what ever you feel like.

Have a good day, you too. Always nice to have a bit of discussion.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

geomark — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:54:34 -0000

I have no faith in any media. I have had first hand knowledge of about a dozen newsworthy events in my life and in every case the news that was reported was inaccurate and often completely wrong. 100% failure rate. So I have doubts about any and all news stories.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

Johh Gill — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:26:06 -0000

Couldn't agree more. As others have noted, adding robots.txt to Murdoch sites will just help increase google relevancy.

Murdoch has made a living from pushing the interests of his corporate friends/backers.

Fact is that there are many individuals producing far better content than his overpaid journalists -- we won't miss them.

Sure, the BBC is a threat to Murdock on line. But so is every other blogger out there. Shame is he will probably get the next UK government to cripple the BBC -- it won't save him, but he'll do damage in the meanwhile.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

Gary Valan — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:23:31 -0000

Good for you, Caroline. The notion that bloggers are going to replace good journalism is feeble minded. More and more superblogs are transforming themselves into online journalists and the line is getting blurred.

Its great that Arrington nailed these bozos but in the real world of massive unemployment, the "depression," a couple of wars this is non news. And even online it seems the phishers, credit card scammers etc have become mainstream and boring. The Zynga crap is just chump change and can easily be shut down compared to the maybe hundreds of millions of real dollars being stolen each month.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

Craig — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:06:57 -0000

As Jello Biafra said: "Don't hate the media, become the media.".

That's what blogging is all about, and why I love that bloggers are prepared to call shit when they see shit. I just wish I had a single journalistic bone in my body so I could join in the fun.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

Lawrence Velázquez — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:20:41 -0000

HAH like people would ever stop reading a newspaper because of its political "leanings".

New York Times costs money. Blogs are free.

That explains it as well as anything.