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The Secret Diary of Steve Jobs: I forgot to mention Ron Paul

  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    I know nothing about him. But he's got a strange campaign that somehow makes his name known. So when 95% of the country goes to vote just to press a button, perhaps his name will be remembered.
  • Get Serious · 1 year ago
    Two words: JOE. BIDEN.

    'nuff said.
  • Former NewJerseyan · 1 year ago
    Biden? Why not just vote for Corzine!?
  • faddah · 1 year ago
    here's another nice little hidden tidbit ron paul supporters don't want you to see, which might move you away from this wingnut, fakey steve-o: he rejects evolution and supports creationism. mmm-hmmm. dat's right. i heard dat. right dere.

    also, just from a distanced perspective, he strikes me as a wee bit "too" perfect in trying to garner the middle of the road on all views. somewhat manufactured, and my paranoia scarily makes me think he's being propped up by his political machine as some sort of manchurian candidate the great middle of the country would all vote for. skeery.
  • 7oby · 1 year ago
    Haha, no, McCain is the manchurian candidate.

    Official Statement on Evolution
  • Scott · 1 year ago
    Faddah, you are basing your criticism on a redacted video created specifically to manipulate opinion and elicit the kind of response you had. Paul's COMPLETE response is here.
  • faddah · 1 year ago
    by what utterly bizzaro world, frigtard notion do you think that addition of all of 15 - 30 secs. tacked onto his answer at the end (the "full") (of it) version) changes anything he says before that. as an adult human male with an alleged education, a doctor degree and all, he says, quite plainly, he disagrees with evolution. i'm sorry, but people's personal beliefs aside, i want friggin' science taught in schools, not something that molly-coddles someone's belief system, and i want leaders that acknowledge what the accepted scientific facts are. there are plenty of jews and catholics and protestants, evangelical christians even, who know that evolution is how we got here and acknowledge that and it doesn't shake their "faith." this guy paul can have all of his own beliefs he wants, including in cthulu for all i care, as long as he doesn't appoint federal judges that will tear away at what gets taught as science in our education system, no matter what state you're in, when this gets challenged again (and trust me, the wing-nuts will never tire of challenging it). how many damn carbon dated dinosaur bones must we beat over the head of the rest of you until you get it's not a matter of theory or belief for frig's sake?
  • Patron · 1 year ago
    Faddah, you cannot provide a single instance of RP saying that creationism should be taught in public schools. You say you don't care what his beliefs are, yet it seems that his beliefs are all you take issue with. That, my friend, makes you a religious bigot.

    If RP wanted to force religion on public education, I'd be the first to denounce him. However, he wants public education to be the purview of the states, much as it has been this past century.

    Please, get your facts right and come back when you can debate without resorting to thinly veiled prejudice.
  • faddah · 1 year ago
    i could give a rat's sweet patootie whether or not at this point he says creationism should be taught in public schools or not. the point is, he, a medical doctor, says he doesn't think evolution science is credible. that fact is irrefutable no matter how much of the video you watch, my sweet little patronus wing-nut. and i don't want any such ass hat elected to run my goverment. period.
  • Patron · 1 year ago
    Excellent. You admit voting based on belief and not on policy. This goes back on what you said earlier. Please, let me quote you: "this guy paul can have all of his own beliefs he wants, including in cthulu for all i care, as long as he doesn't appoint federal judges that will tear away at what gets taught as science in our education system."

    Hypocrisy. And you call me the wingnut?
  • Jerry · 1 year ago
    What some people don't seem to get is that his political position makes it entirely meaningless what personal belief system he subscribes to. His smaller government also includes a strict separation of the state and the church, and thus no mandatory teaching of creationism in schools. The whole "scandal" is illogic and completely moot.
  • Xler · 1 year ago
    Also, no mandatory teaching of evolution! Each state would be free to pick one or the other (or both). Uhm... If you ask me, this doesn't sound too good.
  • Patron · 1 year ago
    Yes, because you simply shouldn't leave decisions like that up to the people....not here, not in this democracy...

    Here, government should make those kinds of decisions for you...
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
    Nope, just like integration this is an issue important and unambiguous enough that it should be mandated by the fed. Public schools teach science. Period. That means evolution.
  • Patron · 1 year ago
    There you go, FSJ. Read a bunch of Marty's or Faddah's posts. They're quite enlightening. If you want the Feds "mandating" things like morality to you, go ahead and vote for someone like Romney or Clinton.

    I'm sure they can come up with a government that would make all sorts of decisions for you. Sound ominous?
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
    Keep spreading that FUD. I'm not talking about all sorts of decisions, I'm talking about unambiguous standards in science.
  • faddah · 1 year ago
    jerry — horseshit. i get he "acquiesces" and says it should be a nice "debate" amongst people but not policy, but the plain fact is, letting anyone who does not accept scientific facts like how life developed in the universe and on this planet lead our nation is a fiery handbasket to hell. as i state above, plenty of very devout jews, catholics and protestants, even conservative evangelical christians, accept evolution is how we got here, the earth is way older than 4,000 - 6,000 years, and they know allegory in a religious text when they see it. the point is not to elect any one who is not in line with accepted scientific fact, and can appoint judges to overturn landmark decisions like this one, when they are challenged again. and challenged by the wing-nuts again and again, they will be, as until they die out, they rarely give up.
  • Nick · 1 year ago
    first problem with your argument- evolution is not fact, it us a theory. It is presented as fact despite lacking any REAL evidence to back it up. I'm pretty positive anything you think has proven evolution has been proven false ( and in most cases outright lies) or were based around controled conditions. Controled conditions can't happen in random chance.

    Grab a couple anti-evolution books and hear both sides of the story. I did and it will really open your eyes to what has been proven false by scientist that don't care about creationism, intelligent design or evolution - they are just after proof of any.
  • Patron · 1 year ago
    Gravity is "just a theory" as well. Theories are not postulates, which is what I think is causing your confusion.
  • 7oby · 1 year ago
    Also, thanks for the edited video, the unedited version has been found.
  • Stupid Photographer · 1 year ago
    Since the president can't do chit about pro-life or pro-death, got those nine morons on the court for that crap, just push the button and don't worry about it. Alternatively, I suggest you vote for Mr. Freedom, whom I endorse.
  • G Webster Wormleigh · 1 year ago
    Joe Biden? Who is Joe Biden? The Crackpot Plagiarist of yesteryear is only around these days to shill for his hair-growing team.......
  • realfrank · 1 year ago
    Spoken by someone that has no concept of reality and how it affects real people. If we were going to disqualify people for mistakes that they made early in life we wouldn't have had a president for the past 16 years and none of the people running now would be qualified. Joe Biden is the most grownup of all the candidates and the only one speaking to real solutions that actually have a chance to work in regards to our foreign policy. If he is not elected president I hope whoever is has enough sense to appoint him as Secretary of State.
  • Buck Fush · 1 year ago
    Ah...another Bushie heard from.
  • iceberg · 1 year ago
    Ron Paul is as much pro-life as he is pro-drugs, which is to say he doesn't think that the federal government has any business deciding what the rule of law should be in either scenario.

    I think he has been very clear about this specific viewpoint, that he opposes centralism, and would rather the question of allowing abortion be decided by each state.

    Like Stupid Photographer just said, his position on abortion, and creationism for that matter is of little importance, since Ron Paul isn't looking to create a theocratic country, and is merely stating his personal preferences.

    There is a vast gulf between Ron Paul's personal moral code and what his morality would dictate is permissible to impose upon others.
  • Xler · 1 year ago
    While the legality of abortion is a topic that could be left up to a state to decide, I do *not* think the same can be said about the creationism vs. evolution issue.
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
    Should the states be left to decide on integration as well douchebag?
  • Eve · 1 year ago
    You obviously don't have a vagina.
  • John Plato · 1 year ago
    Ron Paul sponsored a bill to make blastocysts, zygotes, and embryos citizens of the Unites States, criminalizing abortion in every state. See H.R. 1094.
  • markadog · 1 year ago
    Iceberg has the key to FSJ's dilema. Ron Paul is all about personal responsibility and freedom. That means keeping the Federal gubmint out of our lives. We choose state by state, or person by person pro life, pro drugs, pro whatever. He's a Constitutionalist. Constitutionalists hold to the notion specified by the 10th Amendment to the United States Constitution which states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." The Federal government is constitutionally prohibited from directing our lives re abortion and drugs. That it does violates our Constitution. Ron Paul would work to reverse that.
  • trian · 1 year ago
    Ron Paul totally has a chance. And unless I am mistaken, he would leave the subject of abortion up to the states themselves. He would give a lot of the power to the states actually.
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
    Should we leave the subject of integration up to the states as well douchebag? Women's rights to their bodies should be federally protected in all states.
  • richardmnixon · 1 year ago
    I have no problem with California becoming the nation's abortion capital. If some poor knocked up Alabaman girl can't afford a plane ticket to Fresno, she should just have the baby. How else is the Republican party going to grow?
  • Sombrero · 1 year ago
    And if some poor knocked-up south central L.A. girl cannot afford an abortion, she should have the baby. How else would the Democratic party grow?
  • Toki_chan · 1 year ago
    He's more a libertarian anyway, which would fit FSJ perfectly. Maybe you could jump ranks? Alot of my Poly Sci majors on campus are doing just that, and they are as liberal as they come on my campus (I think).
  • faddah · 1 year ago
    toki chan, i'm glad to have you back here, but yer dead wrong on libertarians. libertarians are no more than neo-cons in "social democracy" clothing. libertarians claim they want social programs and social justice, but they war against the very government programs and taxation that is required to build such infrastructure, in a very me-first way of making sure as little money as possible, including none, is contributed toward the nation and society in which they live. they are big proponents of reaganomic "trickle-down" theory, which is basically the urine and effluvium of the nouveau riche trickles down on the poor.
  • omg · 1 year ago
    People like you scare me more than Ron Paul does. You're far to willing to hand power to the government.
  • faddah · 1 year ago
    i don't know if you checked lately, but per the constitution, we're the government. we the people, remember? and running such an operations with all services involved doesn't run on air or my-little-pony-fairy-dust.
  • peteremcc · 1 year ago
    that would be the constitution that RP is trying to protect and all the other candidates are trampling all over.
  • Toki_chan · 1 year ago
    I just thought they were the people who said that if it don't hurt others, they should be able to do it. That's FSJ, though his thought might be more as long as I don't get caught hurting some people on some issues....
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
    Where'd you learn about reaganomics, ferris bueller's day off?

    Libertarians are fine with social programs and social justice, they just don't want to be the ones to pay for it. You go ahead and pay for it you want it so bad. America is a land of guaranteed opportunity, not guaranteed dinner.

    Please educate yourself before you post such self-righteous ignorance again. Reaganomics != libertarianism.
  • madge weinstein · 1 year ago
    Have you read his platform on Paul own web site? Read what he has to say on the environment. His answer to global warming is to let people sue polluters. That sounds like fun. He also says on his web site that he is "100% Pro-Gun."
  • Toki_chan · 1 year ago
    Only way he could be republican is if he was pro gun.
  • zanyterp · 1 year ago
    Except for that he supports the option to remove the troops from Iraq, he is the least scary of the candidates for me...and that might be enough to get my vote. I realize all the candidates put a spin on things during election year, but so far he seems to be the least scary.
  • CS Clark · 1 year ago
    "Dismantling of big government" sounds like a nice phrase. What does it mean? Does it mean that corporations go out of existence, because there will no longer be any guarantee of limited liability? Does it mean that all health, safety, workers rights, etc., go out the window because they were instituted by public pressures implemented through government, the only component of the governing system that is at least to some extent accountable to the public (corporations are unaccountable, apart from generally weak regulatory apparatus)? Does it mean that the economy should collapse, because basic R&D is typically publicly funded – like what we’re now using, computers and the internet? Should we eliminate roads, schools, public transportation, environmental regulation,….? Does it mean that we should be ruled by private tyrannies with no accountability to the general public, while all democratic forms are tossed out the window? Quite a few questions arise.

    There’s a lot more. Take Social Security. If he means what he says literally, then widows, orphans, the disabled who didn’t themselves pay into Social Security should not benefit (or of course those awful illegal aliens). His claims about SS being "broken" are just false. He also wants to dismantle it, by undermining the social bonds on which it is based – the real meaning of offering younger workers other options, instead of having them pay for those who are retired, on the basis of a communal decision based on the principle that we should have concern for others in need.

    He wants people to be able to run around freely with assault rifles, on the basis of a distorted reading of the Second Amendment (and while we’re at it, why not abolish the whole raft of constitutional provisions and amendments, since they were all enacted in ways he opposes?).

    He is proposing a form of ultra-nationalism, in which we are concerned solely with our preserving our own wealth and extraordinary advantages, getting out of the UN, rejecting any international prosecution of US criminals (for aggressive war, for example), etc. Apart from being next to meaningless, the idea is morally unacceptable, in my view.

    All real quotes from the world's top intellectual. Ron Paul - the fringe candiate that even Noam Chomsky thinks is a loon.
  • eurobloke · 1 year ago
    You are very much right, Ron Paul is nuttier then a Snickers bar. His libertarian attitude is very much completely out of step to the rest of the world, especially on international affairs.
    He says that he will put America out of the UN, but what will happen when America wants to talk its views on any international issues like global warming, international trade, human rights abuses in other countries, the atomic bomb in Iran. You just can't remove yourself, and block away everyone else, living with rose-tinted glasses and think everything stops at the border because it doesn't follow you line of thinking.
  • Arturo · 1 year ago
    I think the rest of the world would be very happy if we got our noses out of everyones business. Think about that for a second. RP talks about diplomacy which is something we haven't really practiced in the last 8 years. So it can only go up from here.
  • Toki_chan · 1 year ago
    No they wouldn't, as much as they would like not admit it, the United states is the police and does the nitty-grity stuff that needs to be done. Then we get to be call horrible, but people go home safer, or just go home period. Yes we've screwed up, but we still handle the stuff no one else would touch.
  • Anon · 1 year ago
    I think we're doing enough to remove ourselves from the rest of the world now than at any other point in history. RP wants to return the US to a country that defaults to trade and diplomacy instead of war and sanctions/embargoes. What is so wrong with that?
  • Mike from Michigan · 1 year ago
    Ron Paul is nuts. And his supporters are nuttier. I can't go into Digg without seeing some goofy post how he won a straw poll and the Ames County Fair and how he'd roll to the nomination if it weren't for some giant trilateral commission conspiracy or some other crazy, moonbat shit like that.

    As for Joe.Biden., if I want to know what he thinks, I'll go listen to a speech by Neil Kinnock...
  • Patron · 1 year ago
    Ron Paul's stance on abortion and reproductive rights: leave it up to the states.
  • Xler · 1 year ago
    Let's leave everything up to the states! Including.... why not... Racism? Slavery?
  • Patron · 1 year ago
    Yes, exactly. Why, if it wasn't for big government, then we'd probably be out slaughtering brown people in some 3rd world country...

    I'm sure your retort will be just stunning...
  • John Plato · 1 year ago
    Ron Paul's stance on abortion is not to leave it up to the states. He just this year sponsored the Sanctity of Life Act which defines human life as beginning at conception and would make abortion illegal in every state.
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
    As stated above, he's nuttier than a fruitcake. One need for a federal gov is to enforce laws whose moral underpinnings trump states' rights. Laws over things like slavery, integration, and a woman's right to her own body.

    What I don't get is why so many techies all over the west coast are slobbering over him. It's an embarrassment to the industry's what it is.
  • Patron · 1 year ago
    We need the federal government to enforce "morality laws?" Sounds to me like you would prefer to live in Iran...they have that there, you know?
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
    You can build me into a straw man all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that we would still be operating under "seperate but equal" if not for federal intervention. Or the fact that RP doesn't think we should have fought the civil war. You can find his bigoted statements all over the net.

    I think the moral thing to do is to not take a woman's right to her own body. If you want to stretch that to mean all morality laws you are as big a lunatic as Ron Paul.
  • michael · 1 year ago
    Yes, "separate but equal" was struck down by the judicial branch of the federal goverment (The Supreme Court ruling in Brown v. Board of Education), and of course we are all glad they did. Such "federal intervention" is not at odds with the constitution and no one, including those in the Ron Paul camp, would argue against that type of "intervention".

    As a strict constitutionalist, Ron Paul does not assert that the federal government should not act. The constitution lays out areas of responsiblilty in which the executive, legislative and judical branches must act.
    What he does oppose is federal government intervention in the lives of private citizens or the affaris of other nations if the mandate for such actions is not called for in the constitution.
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
    And based on your belief that any government, state or otherwise, should have the right to make decisions over a woman's own body I think you would be much happier in Iran than I would.
  • Patron · 1 year ago
    I think women should have the right to control their own body. I also think that the laws regarding abortion should be returned to the states. Power to the people, you know? I'd vote to keep abortion legal...simply because I want a smaller federal government doesn't mean I want to strip people of their rights. In fact, quite the opposite. Even in a state-centric government, laws must abide by the rule of law set by the constitution.

    As to the civil war thing, wouldn't it have been better if there was a peaceful solution? If the confederates hadn't attacked fort Sumpter? A naive sentiment, maybe, but one has to hope war isn't always the answer.
  • MacLiberal · 1 year ago
    FSJ, Ron Paul is a corporate stooge. Dismantling government is a great idea as long as you don't mind everything you eat, drink, and breath to be poisoned.
  • Thomas · 1 year ago
    Everything we eat, drink and breath is poisoned NOW. How's that Big Gub'mint workin' for ya?
  • Michael · 1 year ago
    It is not unconstitutional for the federal government (Congress) or other levels of government to pass product safety laws. I doubt any constitutionalist, libertarian, or Ron Paul supporter would argue against such laws.

    However, some of those same people might very well argue that the now permanently established agencies like the FDA and FTC are inefficient in meeting their own goals and have, perhaps, in some ways, become self serving bureacracies, that need not be funded at their current levels.

    Supporting a "smaller government" or more constitutionally alligned government is not synominous with "dismantling govenment" or corporately controlled anarchy.
  • FRANK PARKER · 1 year ago
    EVEN IF THIS IS SATIRE, YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

    (I HAVE ONE OF THOSE .50'S TOO)
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    I really like Ron Paul too. I like that he follows the constitution on things that are importing. The Federal Government has become too powerful and has taken a lot of power away from the states. This is a bad thing.

    I also like his stance on wars in general, not getting in other countries business, etc. Imagine the things we could do to end hunger and poverty in this country with the $650 billion budget that is spent overseas. And the $2.3 TRILLION dollars on the Iraq war. (That is the number the GAO has come up with).

    Ron Paul is really the only candidate that has promised to end the Iraq war immediately, and I believe him. He's voted that way the entire time he's been in office.

    The abortion issue is really a non-issue. None of that is likely to change and the president has no power to change it. Neither does he on many things. It's the congress & the senate you need to work on if you want to change laws.

    As for the Republican thing goes, who really cares? Elect the person you like. Very good chance he'll run 3rd party anyway.
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
    Sure, just like Bush doesn't really have any power to screw up the country. Put RP in office and he will find a way to push his extreme religious views on the country, and his voting record supports that.
  • Q · 1 year ago
    there is a little bit of "teh crazy" in all politicians
  • JSG · 1 year ago
    Hate to break the news to you, FSJ, but Ron Paul has even bigger problems than his pro-life thing. You see, Ron Paul is a racist.

    So he's a Republican misogynist racist anti-semite. And a good ol' boy Republickin'. Ron Paul is what all "good conservatives" claim to be. But at least you can say Ron walks the walk and talks the talk. The vast majority of conservatives choose one or the other.

    Not too much to like about RP... but I do like his non-interventionist stance on Iraq and Afghanistan.
  • Stephanie Betit · 1 year ago
    Ron Paul is not a racist--he believes that all men and women should be treated with equal respect. More than once, he has said that if you treat everyone as an individual and protect individual rights, you are protecting everyone equally.
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  • L. Baker · 1 year ago
    One simply can not agree with EVERY thing any candidate says. As a doctor he has delievered so many babies that being pro-abortion would not make sense TO HIM. However, he does NOT feel that the government has the right to make laws regarding any of it. Some of you are saying Dr. Paul is uneducated on the issues. Where do you live? He is a TEN term congressman. He has NOT voted for ONE thing that is unconstitutional (IE BIG GOVERNMENT). The government messes up on many things it "regulates" and mostly because, constitutionally it does NOT belong in it. Dr. Paul is also an author, with books in the top 5 in sales, nationwide. You accuse him of not knowing what he is talking about? NO WAY. You can look up his speeches 5 years ago and he sounds like a crystal ball reader as far as what indeed is happening today. I am so tired of people who get their news and opinions in an uneducated way (like listening to main stream media like FOX, who are biased in favor of globalization and reducing individual and state rights. Do NOT knock Dr. Ron's opinions about money and foreign policy unless you have read several his entire speeches or books on the subject. Then only will YOU have an educated opinion for what is spewing from your mouth. ANd guess what? I know you haven't.
  • Sasnak · 1 year ago
    I agree with some of Ron Paul's views. I'd like a 10% flat income tax. No exceptions, no returns. Tithe to your church, donate to a charity if you want, and tithe to Uncle Sam.
    I really like Barack Obama's "middle ground" approach. And as far as his lack of experience, the answer is: OJT--on the job training. Every new president has to go through it anyway.
    No way to Hillary Clinton...too politically slimy. Too embedded. Too much experience.
  • David W. · 1 year ago
    Someone should inform Ron Paul he's about 200 years too late. In all seriousness his ideas sound nice but any sane person will realize that what he proposes is not possible. Sure government is messed up, big, slow and inefficient, but eliminating what keeps this country running is not going to solve any problems. Making what we have more efficient is a good way to start. Eliminating institutions that employ millions of Americans so that we can let the states decide everything doesn't sound like a sensible plan.

    Sad thing is alot of people I know have given tons of money to him. Its good that theyre energized, but I'm not into Kool-Aid that much.

    David
    http://davidwogan.us
  • khai · 1 year ago
    try telling that to Steve Jobs in 1997 era Apple.
  • khai · 1 year ago
    I think there is a big misconception that people have of Ron Paul's consistent belief of dismantling of BIG GOV'T that in doing so, will create a vacuum and that chaos would ensue.

    He wants to get rid of the IRS. People are AFRAID that the government will no have any revenue to fund things such as roads, schools, security, defense, etc... That also means the gov't won't be wasting your tax dollars on senseless wars (Drugs, Iraq/n), corrupt mercenary contracts (Blackwater), and TSA/Homeland Insecurity

    People tend to forget that by abolishing the IRS, the people will have more money in their pocket to do what is best for them. When I pay my taxes, some of that goes to fund the war. I have no say in how much of my taxes is allocated to the war machine. That is not to say that I don't support a strong national defense and military to protect our nation, but I definitely do not support a no-bid government sponsored corporation slaughtering innocent civilians of a country that didn't want us there in the first place.

    War on drugs? War on illiteracy? Those should be handled by friends and family of the local community to educate and keep our children safe. And guess what? Without the IRS, citizens have more $$ in their pocket to contribute/donate to their local communities to enable just that!

    Lastly, don't forget, just because the IRS doesn't tax us doesn't mean that we don't have alternate, and more effective ways to fund special programs on the state and local levels, and that is exactly what Ron Paul supports. I would like my neighbors to decide the best way to spend money for education, and by paying less federal tax, I have more money to give to my local school. I don't need a bigwig from DC telling me how my money should be spent for education, or worse yet, not spending any of my tax on education to fund the death of more of our troops.

    For those who hold Ron Paul's personal beliefs and preferences against him in office, it is important to understand that, unlike our current Christian fanatical El Presidente, Ron Paul puts the law of the land, our Constitution, first and foremost before his personal beliefs. His personal preference may be pro-Christianity, pro-life, pro-drugs, but his POLICY is really pro-Constitution, pro-Constitution, and pro-Constitution, meaning the states will decide what is best.

    By letting the states decide, he is limiting the power of the federal government, and also limiting power for himself should he be president. The current abuse of executive power show that this is definitely necessary to allow anybody, regardless of his or her personal religious preference, to lead the country without imposing one's views.

    For those who criticize that Ron Paul shouldn't be in office because he is a Christian, who gives you the right to decide what religion, or lackof, is the "right one" for office? Why don't we have a bloody iPhone run our country? Of course, even the iPhone was built by Christians too...
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
    I have no problem with Christians running the country, racists on the other hand: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/124912/740
  • knowledge is power · 1 year ago
    Ron Paul shines because he is a pro-American patriot. He loves this country and what it has stood for – freedom, private property, rule of law, no intervention in other countries' affairs – and he wants it to stand for that again. He has been speaking out on the floor of Congress against the war and against the myriad restrictions on freedom that have been foisted on us by a political class in Washington that is largely hostile to the freedom of Americans could go on and on about Ron Paul and the depth, sincerity, and wisdom he has that he brings to all the issues he faces. He is, quite simply, the best Congressman I have ever known of since I started following Congress in the late 1960s. But don't take my word for it. Read his record and his speeches. He clearly outshines not only Huckaby but also all of the Democratic contenders for the nomination, many of whom support the war against Iraq and none of whom was willing to speak out against the war shortly after it had begun because they wanted to "support the troops." (Interesting question: when we see our own people being killed in a mistaken cause, are we really supporting our troops by advocating a war in which more troops will die? Just asking.) As a result, Dr. Paul is likely to get not only a lot of votes from Republicans, but also crossover votes from Democrats and independents who are disgusted by the failure of the Democratic party to yield an unabashedly anti-war candidate. This, in fact, is what happened in Congressman Paul's latest election, where, even though the Texas Republicans tried to redistrict him out of a seat, he won 68% of the vote with crossovers. So if you're Republican or Democrat an independent or libertarian. America needs to change, and none of us can deny that after the reading your posts on here. Most of you lack the knowledge about what America is truly about. I recommend you read this book The 5000 Year Leap: The 28 Great Ideas That Changed the World by W. Cleon Skousen. Do your own homework is not hard to do. It is becoming increasingly clear that The Establishment is more than just OK with fraudulent elections, just as long as they get to control them and pick the political class stooge they want in place to rule over US. We are now more than ever, land of fraud, and home of the slave.

    Again I hope you read the book I know when you read it you will pass it on to others too. Remember information is knowledge and knowledge is power.
    . That's why on voting for Ron Paul
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
    and you are voting for a racist: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/124912/740
  • Lovin' my iToys · 1 year ago
    > And if so, could we somehow get him to drop this crazy pro-life position?

    Hey, FSJ, are you really anti pro-life? I mean, you're adopted, right? If your mother had been pro-choice and chose abortion, who would have made my iMac, iPod and iPhone for me!?! Jeez, I for one am glad your mom was pro-life, even if you aren't!!
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
    So how do you know his mom is pro-life? Because she had a child?? Now that statement shines with ignorance. Ron Paul is a racist to boot: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/124912/740
  • Milton · 1 year ago
  • Stephanie Betit · 1 year ago
    Hi Steve! I'm part of the Ron Paul grassroots movement and live in New Hampshire. No, we won't be able to get Ron Paul to change his view on pro-life, however, he does not feel that it is up to our federal government to control the laws around this issue. He is the most principled candidate running and truly desires to return our country to our founders' original intent. His personal beliefs and views will, in no way, affect the way he runs the government because he believes that the government should stay out of our bedrooms and stop controlling our lives. If you want to know anything else that I've learned from him, please feel free to contact me! I think Ron Paul is America's last hope. Oh, he's also a Libertarian--he's only running as a Republican because he knew that that was the only way he'd be able to be part of the media debates. He ran for President years ago as a Libertarian. He's great, honestly! Everyone should vote for Ron Paul!
  • Stephanie Betit · 1 year ago
    Oops...sorry, thought this was posted by Steve Jobs! Forgive my mistake! But, seriously, Ron Paul is great and won't allow his beliefs to influence the way he runs our country.
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
  • Peter North · 1 year ago
    I'm a big fan of Ron Paul. He's not really a Republican, FSJ - he's more Libertarian than anything. And given his general "less government intrusion in peoples' lives" philosophy, it surprises me to find out he's not pro-choice. If true, that's disappointing, but he's still the only candidate worth considering IMHO. Don't rule him out FSJ! :)
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
    no bigot is worth considering - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/124912/740
  • Patron · 1 year ago
    And neither are you. :)
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
    you sir are a douchebag. You don't have to consider my views, I've posted plenty of other's well researched opinions for people to make up their own minds.
  • Patron · 1 year ago
    After reading those links, I'm sure you're using "well researched" by a very loose definition...
  • Ken · 1 year ago
    Actually Ron Paul supports the end of Roe v Wade. Hysterical feminist get their "lady parts" in an uproar over people who want to end Roe v Wade but that just means he believes it should be a state matter, not a federal matter, as should most other things the federal government has taken on.

    Ken
    www.LaserGuidedLoogie.com
  • Ken · 1 year ago
    Actually Ron Paul supports the end of Roe v Wade. Hysterical feminist get their "lady parts" in an uproar over people who want to end Roe v Wade but that just means he believes it should be a state matter, not a federal matter, as should most other things the federal government has taken on.

    Ken
    www.LaserGuidedLoogie.com
  • HR · 1 year ago
    Ron Paul is a racist.

    Lincoln was wrong for starting the Civil War.

    http://www.alternet.org/election08/71759/

    Also,

    "If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be." About blacks in Washington, D.C., Paul wrote, "I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." Paul said Wednesday that his comments came in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time," and that he opposes racism.

    Dont become a Paultard.
  • Franklin · 1 year ago
    If you dig a little bit, you will find that he did not write those statements.
  • 7oby · 1 year ago
    Wow, thanks for the quote, here's one:

    "I invented the internet!" - Al Gore

    Did you enjoy it?
  • anon · 1 year ago
    what's wrong with that? 95% of black males, not 95% of criminals are black.
    What would be nice is to have the % of whites, hispanics, asians, etc.
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
    thank you! I cannot believe all the "tech savvy" have not done better research - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/124912/740
  • richardmnixon · 1 year ago
    The liberal elites may not like what Paul says here, but you've gotta admit he's right. I invited Sammy Davis Jr. to a state dinner and he stole half the silverware and ran off before the Secret Service could catch him.
  • richardmnixon · 1 year ago
    If this Ron Paul phoney puts us back on the gold standard, I'll pull Hunt and Liddy out of retirement.
  • Pascal · 1 year ago
    If you can get him to switch his pro-life stance, perhaps you can get him to renounce his racist past. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/124912/740
  • ColoradoCary · 1 year ago
    Maybe you should do a little research before posting; it took me all of one minute to google the truth about that. In the interest of your time, here are a couple of sites including a statement by Ron Paul himself:
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul68.html
    http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid...
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
    Then why won't he release his previous writings from The Ron Paul Political Report? Sounds like he should have nothing to hide. . . .
  • Milton · 1 year ago
  • Mike Cane · 1 year ago
    >>>you gotta lets the ladies control their lady parts,

    Hahahahaha!

    Whoa... new Comment system!
  • PhillyChief · 1 year ago
    Ron Paul certainly is not in favor of the Separation of Church and State.
    "The War on Religion"
    You can't spin or walk away from rejecting Evolution
    And these ideas are just nutty, some religiously inspired:
    • Constitutional Amendment for school prayer and opposed to the Separation of Church and State - Religion inspired decision
    • Allowing workers to opt out of Social Security
    • Against socialized health care
    • Against abortion - Religion inspired decision
    • Laissez faire economics
    • Against federal funding of stem cell research - Religion inspired decision
    • Against gay marriage - Religion inspired decision
    • Against campaign finance reform
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    Philly you don't understand why he votes that way.

    Church and State: The Federal Government has no business in the matter, don't make more regulation on a federal level.

    Social Security: Wants young people to have the option of getting out of social security and instead use HSA's. Which offer a better return on your investment. He would not shut down social security, it would take generations of like minded presidents for that to happen.

    Socialized Health Care is a disaster. Read up on what other countires think and you'll understand. You know these other countries that have socialized Health Care pay 45 to 65% in taxes right? Are you ready for that?

    Abortion: Not a federal issue. As a Doctor, he can be sued for killing a fetus even by mistake and for taking a life, but why is it a mother can do it even at 8 months? It's a moral issue and not a federal government issue. The states should decide. It's a local crime issue.

    Economics - well, he's a noted economist and knows what's up there.

    Stem Cell Research: why is it that the government needs to fund this? I don't want MY money spent on this stuff. Why can't companies do this themselves. The FREE MARKET should decide. (That's Ron's stance).

    Gay Marriage: He thinks anyone should be able to do whatever they want. He doesn't even want the Fed to recognize a normal marriage. It's a religious issue. Why should the Government care if I am married?

    Finance Reform: Well, let's see. He's definitely not abusing that. Campaign financing is actually pretty strict right now. Ultimately, though, how does a lower teir candidate get their message out when the media has their own choices?
  • Xler · 1 year ago
    Why stop there?

    Racism and Slavery: It's a religious issue. Why should the government interfere? Let each state decide.

    Polygamy: Again, a religious issue. The government shouldn't interfere. Each state should make it either legal or illegal.
  • Milton · 1 year ago
    What makes slavery and polygamy religious issues?
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
    That is the point Xler is trying to make.
  • Patron · 1 year ago
    Why stop there? Because we see what happens when we let big government run the show.

    Racism: Gulf War II. Gulf War I. Vietnam. Grenada. Iran/Contra. Ever notice how big government has this habit of beating the s**** out of small, non-European countries?

    Religion: Ask any LGBTQ person exactly how free they are when it comes to marriage.

    Yes Xler, our government has just done a stellar job, hasn't it?
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
    So tell us why he wants to bring back church tithes.
  • Stephanie Betit · 1 year ago
    Ron Paul does want to keep separation of church and state. He wants to privatize EVERYTHING including education so parents could choose what kind of education their children receive based on a completely privatized education system. Though many of his own PERSONAL decisions involve his belief system, he does NOT believe that PERSONAL beliefs should affect the manner in which one runs the government.
  • marty_mcfly · 1 year ago
    Stephanie, how can you read the list PhillyChief provided and still think that his personal beliefs will not affect the manner in which he will run the government?